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V2 is not just a 75V esc, they are a family.
V2 is not just a 75V esc, they are a family.


亲爱的用户们,谢谢你们的支持和肯定,Ubox V2上线了。
Dear users, thank you for your support and affirmation. Ubox V2 is online.


第一个和大家见面的是Ubox V2 75V 100A X 2,然后是即将发售的Ubox V2 100V 100A X 2,100V采用了和75V相似的尺寸,和面板插座布局,但是采用了全铝壳,并且电源线和电机的相线从两侧引出,这样是为了最优化电流路径。
The first one to meet you is ubox V2 75V 100A x 2, and then the upcoming ubox V2 100V 100A x 2100v. It adopts the size similar to 75V and the layout of panel socket, but it adopts all aluminum shell, and the power line and motor phase line are led out from both sides, so as to optimize the current path.


然后是V2 remote,V2 adapter. V2 remote & receiver将各自带有bootloader,以便于发布后根据用户意见修改固件,V2采用了彩屏,因为现在黑白屏已经不那么好买了。
Then V2 remote, V2 adapter V2 remote & receiver will be equipped with bootloader respectively to modify the firmware according to the user's opinions after release. V2 adopts color screen, because black-and-white screen is not so easy to buy now.


V2 adapter将重新设计,以更好的支持E-scooter, E-bike,的改装应用,可能会采用MCU based设计,原生支持油门,刹车,前后灯,左右转向灯。可能会考虑支持屏显,但是现在屏显已经有好多优秀的开源方案了,所以受限于开发时间,我们可能会放弃屏显计划。
V2 adapter will be redesigned to better support e-scooter, E-bike and other modified applications. MCU based design may be adopted. It natively supports throttle, brake, front and rear lights, left and right turn signals. We may consider supporting screen display, but now there are many excellent open source solutions for screen display, so we may give up the screen display plan due to limited development time.


Ubox V2 is a long-brooding project.  
Ubox V2 is a long-brooding project.


Spintend 创立以来,我们的第一个产品就是Ubox,它的性能得到了你们的肯定和鼓励,V1让我们结识了全世界的许多朋友,在总结V1的经验和用户朋友们的宝贵建议下,我们重新设计了V2 75V.
Since the founding of sintend, our first product is ubox. Its performance has been affirmed and encouraged by you. V1 has made us meet many friends all over the world. After summarizing V1's experience and valuable suggestions from user friends, we redesigned V2 75V


上半年的时候,我们同时在规划一款100V版本的双驱ESC,在后来的设计实现过程中我们意识到,75V和100V之间有很多部分是可共享的,于是我们把这两个产品放到了一个产品系列下面,这样就有了V2 family的两个主要成员。两个V2 Ubox保留了和V1相同的三围尺寸,这样用户从V1升级的时候就不需要作任何修改。
In the first half of the year, we were planning a 100V version of dual drive ESC at the same time. In the later design and implementation process, we realized that many parts between 75V and 100V can be shared, so we put these two products under one product family, so we have two main members of V2 family. The two V2 uboxes retain the same three dimensions as V1, so users do not need to make any changes when upgrading from V1.


V2 features:
V2 features:
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#External 2.4G receiver antenna.
#External 2.4G receiver antenna.


V2的内置接收机配置了无线bootloader,配合U-remote时,就能对它的固件进行更新。
The built-in receiver of V2 is equipped with a wireless bootloader. When it is combined with u-remote, its firmware can be updated.
V2的刹车灯同样支持第三方的接收机,在ESCB的SERVO插座上检测到有效的PPM信号时,就会控制刹车灯的输出。


V2 75V,由于我们还有少量V1的外壳,所以beta版本我们的特意设计了兼容V1外壳的PCB,it is a V2’s heart within V1’s shell.  
V2 brake light also supports a third-party receiver. When a valid PPM signal is detected on the servo socket of ESCB, it will control the output of the brake light.


V2 75V的外壳和V1的最大区别是USB插座改成了flat surface mount type,V1的直立方式对SMT生产非常不友好,很容易焊接不良,一旦有不良非常难修。也许平卧的USB会没那么方便,但是为了方便生产和成本控制,请用户们谅解。
Regarding V2 75V, since we still have a few V1 shells, we specially designed a PCB compatible with V1 shell in the beta version. It is a V2's heart within V1's shell.


V2的逻辑板上特意增设了E-bike的钥匙点火支持,这个点火直接使用的电源的电压,所以它会高到75V甚至100V!所以为了安全,防止用户误插,我把它设计在面板的下方,远离其他的插座,这会让点火钥匙功能的安装有一点点不便,还请用户们谅解。同时这个插座的VBATT不是给用户来大电流取电的,建议用户们取电限制在300mA以内,尽管它有一个4A的熔断型保险丝保护,不采用自恢复的原因是,没有支持这么高电压的自恢复保险丝。
The biggest difference between the shell of V2 75V and V1 is that the USB socket is changed to flat surface mount type. The vertical mode of V1 is very unfriendly to SMT production, which is easy to be poorly welded. Once there is any defect, it is very difficult to repair. Maybe the horizontal USB will not be so convenient, but in order to facilitate production and cost control, please understand.


The key ignition support of E-bike is specially added on the logic board of v2. This ignition directly uses the voltage of the power supply, so it will be as high as 75V or even 100V! Therefore, in order to be safe and prevent users from inserting it by mistake, I design it under the panel and away from other sockets, which will make the installation of ignition key function a little inconvenient. Please understand. At the same time, the Vbatt of this socket does not provide users with high current power supply. It is recommended that users' power supply is limited to 300mA. Although it has a 4A fusing fuse protection, the reason why it does not adopt self recovery is that there is no self recovery fuse supporting such high voltage.


V2 ESC 的beta版本,由于时间紧迫,我们选择了交期安全的PCB 制程,4OZ of 4 layers. 相比之下,V1是5OZ4 layers的,最后的一批是6OZ的,但是这个6OZ让我们损失不小,因为铜箔太厚,所以回流焊的温度需要调的很高,才能让元件可靠焊接,凡是这样一来,
For the beta version of V2 ESC, due to time constraints, we chose the PCB process with safe delivery date, 4oz of 4 layers In contrast, V1 is 5oz4 layers, and the last batch is 6oz, but this 6oz makes us lose a lot. Because the copper foil is too thick, the reflow temperature needs to be adjusted very high to make the components reliably welded. In this way,
V2改用了排针和排母的连接方式,以便生产和维护,排针排母需要额外2mm左右的高度,为了维持V1的高度,我们把功率板的PCB厚度从3mm降到了2mm,同时把铝壳的底部支撑台面高度降低了1mm。


三因素,让V2的报告温度上升得比V1要快一些:
V2 uses the connection mode of row pin and row bus for production and maintenance. The row pin and row bus need an additional height of about 2mm. In order to maintain the height of V1, we reduce the PCB thickness of the power board from 3mm to 2mm, and reduce the height of the support table at the bottom of the aluminum shell by 1mm.
#铜厚薄了1OZ,铜箔的导电电阻会稍稍大一点,不过相比后续两点,这一点的影响很轻微。
#温度传感器放置在MOSFET的另一面,所以温度检测会受到PCB厚度的影响,PCB越厚,温度检测越迟缓。V2 比 V1 厚度少了1mm。
#系统的热容量,铜箔减少了1OZ,和铝壳的台面降低了1mm,会让整个系统的热容量减少,也会让温度上升得更快一些。
V2的正式版本将改回5OZ的铜箔厚度,就会在1和3点上面改善发热表现。


V2 100V采用的MOSFET是on semiconductor的FDBL0200N100,标称最大内阻2毫欧,而75V继续采用FDBL0150N100,标称最大内阻1.5毫欧,但是在实测时,FDBL0200N100比FDBL0150N100内阻要大约0.7毫欧以上。所以单相的导通回路的增大的电阻会大于1.4毫欧.所以100V的发热会比75V的稍稍大一点,这是更高工作电压的代价。
Three factors make the reported temperature of V2 rise faster than V1:


因为芯片以及其他原材料的成本一直在飙升,所以我们不得不阶段性的提高价格,非常抱歉。
#When the copper thickness is 1oz, the conductive resistance of the copper foil will be slightly larger, but compared with the subsequent two points, this has a slight impact.
 
#The temperature sensor is placed on the other side of the MOSFET, so the temperature detection will be affected by the thickness of the PCB. The thicker the PCB, the slower the temperature detection. V2 is 1mm less than v1.
 
#The heat capacity of the system is reduced by 1oz for copper foil and 1mm for aluminum shell, which will reduce the heat capacity of the whole system and make the temperature rise faster.
 
The official version of V2 will be changed back to the copper foil thickness of 5oz, which will improve the heating performance at points 1 and 3.
 
The MOSFET used for V2 100V is FDBL0200N100 from on-semiconductor, with a nominal maximum internal resistance of 2 milliohm, while fdbl0150n100 continues to be used for 75V, with a nominal maximum internal resistance of 1.5 milliohm. However, when measured, the internal resistance of fdbl0200n100 is about 0.7 milliohm higher than that of fdbl0150n100. Therefore, the increased resistance of single-phase on circuit will be greater than 1.4 milliohm Therefore, the heating of 100V will be slightly larger than that of 75V, which is the price of higher working voltage.
 
Because the cost of chips and other raw materials has been soaring, we have to raise the price periodically. I'm very sorry.


V2 logic & power board are redesigned, by me, John, with all of my cautious and knowledge, and all the lessons from Ubox V1.
V2 logic & power board are redesigned, by me, John, with all of my cautious and knowledge, and all the lessons from Ubox V1.

Revision as of 09:09, 19 January 2022

V2 is not just a 75V esc, they are a family.

Dear users, thank you for your support and affirmation. Ubox V2 is online.

The first one to meet you is ubox V2 75V 100A x 2, and then the upcoming ubox V2 100V 100A x 2100v. It adopts the size similar to 75V and the layout of panel socket, but it adopts all aluminum shell, and the power line and motor phase line are led out from both sides, so as to optimize the current path.

Then V2 remote, V2 adapter V2 remote & receiver will be equipped with bootloader respectively to modify the firmware according to the user's opinions after release. V2 adopts color screen, because black-and-white screen is not so easy to buy now.

V2 adapter will be redesigned to better support e-scooter, E-bike and other modified applications. MCU based design may be adopted. It natively supports throttle, brake, front and rear lights, left and right turn signals. We may consider supporting screen display, but now there are many excellent open source solutions for screen display, so we may give up the screen display plan due to limited development time.

Ubox V2 is a long-brooding project.

Since the founding of sintend, our first product is ubox. Its performance has been affirmed and encouraged by you. V1 has made us meet many friends all over the world. After summarizing V1's experience and valuable suggestions from user friends, we redesigned V2 75V

In the first half of the year, we were planning a 100V version of dual drive ESC at the same time. In the later design and implementation process, we realized that many parts between 75V and 100V can be shared, so we put these two products under one product family, so we have two main members of V2 family. The two V2 uboxes retain the same three dimensions as V1, so users do not need to make any changes when upgrading from V1.

V2 features:

  1. All the 12V,5V, VCC external ports are recoverable fused, all the HALL, TX&RX are serialized with a resistor, ADC1,ADC2,ADC3 are pulled down with a 22K resistor.
  2. Independent external VCC, the MCU's VCC isolated, and guarded by a TVS.
  3. Ignite key and meter supported, fused, for e-scooter/e-bike application.
  4. Three 12V control ports: front light, horn, and brake light! these ports are separated 2pin sockets.
  5. Cooling fan socket with 12V power source.
  6. CAN bus insert power on supported, easy for 4WD configuration.
  7. External NRF(Bluetooth) socket, to replace the former internal BT module, independent from main UART ports, also A/B switchable.
  8. VCC is 3.44V, 100% compatible with VESC original FW, no more 3.3V VS 3.44V issue.
  9. External 2.4G receiver antenna.

The built-in receiver of V2 is equipped with a wireless bootloader. When it is combined with u-remote, its firmware can be updated.

V2 brake light also supports a third-party receiver. When a valid PPM signal is detected on the servo socket of ESCB, it will control the output of the brake light.

Regarding V2 75V, since we still have a few V1 shells, we specially designed a PCB compatible with V1 shell in the beta version. It is a V2's heart within V1's shell.

The biggest difference between the shell of V2 75V and V1 is that the USB socket is changed to flat surface mount type. The vertical mode of V1 is very unfriendly to SMT production, which is easy to be poorly welded. Once there is any defect, it is very difficult to repair. Maybe the horizontal USB will not be so convenient, but in order to facilitate production and cost control, please understand.

The key ignition support of E-bike is specially added on the logic board of v2. This ignition directly uses the voltage of the power supply, so it will be as high as 75V or even 100V! Therefore, in order to be safe and prevent users from inserting it by mistake, I design it under the panel and away from other sockets, which will make the installation of ignition key function a little inconvenient. Please understand. At the same time, the Vbatt of this socket does not provide users with high current power supply. It is recommended that users' power supply is limited to 300mA. Although it has a 4A fusing fuse protection, the reason why it does not adopt self recovery is that there is no self recovery fuse supporting such high voltage.

For the beta version of V2 ESC, due to time constraints, we chose the PCB process with safe delivery date, 4oz of 4 layers In contrast, V1 is 5oz4 layers, and the last batch is 6oz, but this 6oz makes us lose a lot. Because the copper foil is too thick, the reflow temperature needs to be adjusted very high to make the components reliably welded. In this way,

V2 uses the connection mode of row pin and row bus for production and maintenance. The row pin and row bus need an additional height of about 2mm. In order to maintain the height of V1, we reduce the PCB thickness of the power board from 3mm to 2mm, and reduce the height of the support table at the bottom of the aluminum shell by 1mm.

Three factors make the reported temperature of V2 rise faster than V1:

  1. When the copper thickness is 1oz, the conductive resistance of the copper foil will be slightly larger, but compared with the subsequent two points, this has a slight impact.
  1. The temperature sensor is placed on the other side of the MOSFET, so the temperature detection will be affected by the thickness of the PCB. The thicker the PCB, the slower the temperature detection. V2 is 1mm less than v1.
  1. The heat capacity of the system is reduced by 1oz for copper foil and 1mm for aluminum shell, which will reduce the heat capacity of the whole system and make the temperature rise faster.

The official version of V2 will be changed back to the copper foil thickness of 5oz, which will improve the heating performance at points 1 and 3.

The MOSFET used for V2 100V is FDBL0200N100 from on-semiconductor, with a nominal maximum internal resistance of 2 milliohm, while fdbl0150n100 continues to be used for 75V, with a nominal maximum internal resistance of 1.5 milliohm. However, when measured, the internal resistance of fdbl0200n100 is about 0.7 milliohm higher than that of fdbl0150n100. Therefore, the increased resistance of single-phase on circuit will be greater than 1.4 milliohm Therefore, the heating of 100V will be slightly larger than that of 75V, which is the price of higher working voltage.

Because the cost of chips and other raw materials has been soaring, we have to raise the price periodically. I'm very sorry.

V2 logic & power board are redesigned, by me, John, with all of my cautious and knowledge, and all the lessons from Ubox V1. We are trying to change a horse in the middle of the river, because we have to switch v1 to v2 seamlessly. It must be built up within V1's structure, so it has its own confined limits, a confined house. I have devoted all my efforts in it.

Since 2020, too many changes have been made in this world. Many of us lost many, some of us lost their family members, some lost their career, business, life, rights…, What has happened and is happening has shaken our beliefs and values, changing our way of life and the direction of civilization. Around us, ugly truths are emerging. In this era of challenges, let's encourage each other and move forward together.

Sincerely present.

John